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Credits

Dr Ore 30 Apr 2018 20:46

Authored by: Dr Ore

Also by: Salamander724, Dr Grym, thd-glasses, ThePaperMask and Themanwithnospaces does not match any existing user name

Special thanks to:

Dr_Grom for the table design and the structure.

TPS-Geronam for coding the database. (Holy shit!)

If anybody wants to edit something, here are the corresponding components that make up this page:

EN (A-F): http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-en-1
EN (G-Z): http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-en-2
RU: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-ru
KO: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-ko
CN: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-cn
FR: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-fr
PL: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-pl
ES: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-es
TH: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-th
JP: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-jp
DE: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-de
IT: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-it
UA: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-ua
PT-BR: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-pt-br
ZH: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-zh
INT: http://scp-int.wikidot.com/goi-int

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Re: Credits

Dr Ore 03 Mar 2019 00:05

I shall explain how to update the Index.

1. It is important to understand, that the Index is, in fact, a bundle of indexes, thanks to Wikidots 2 Million Character Limit. So, to create a corner for an entirely new branch, an entirely new site has to be created and implemented into the Index hub. For that, just copy the syntax from another implementation in the hub.

2. A new Goi tab can simply be copypasted and changed accordingly. That is self-explaining.

3. When adding a group, keep in mind that a table only shows the attitude of a GoI towards another one, not how other groups react to it.

4. After 3. is done, the offsets need to be actualized and resorted to fit in the character limit. I had to create a fourth in the last update, which is, like the others, linked with the other offsets to create a chain of databases to search through. The entries are all sorted like the GoIs in the relation tables for easier location. KEEP IT THAT WAY! Like the tables, every block has now to be updated, but watch out when you have to switch from text to no text. The turning point comes when the target GoI is referenced with itself. Important here is, that the relation is to be illustrated for both sides. If you want to relocate a block to another offset, mark it in one swoop from [tr] to [/tr] and cut it out.

Afterward, don‘t forget to update the abbreviation table. It is also alphabetically sorted, ALSO KEEP IT THAT WAY!
I am open for suggestions to simplify this mess.

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Re: Credits

Dr Ore 14 Sep 2020 11:54

Scratch 4., I removed the automatic search function because it is a total pain to update.

About the Name of 酩酊街 (Meiteigai, Drunken Street)

fumeinadebaisu 18 Jun 2018 02:38

The name being used for 酩酊街 in rev. 9 (now) of goi-jp is Drunken Street, but the term 酩酊 refers to an act, a phenomenon or a state of being intoxicated, rather than those who are intoxicated. It should be "Street/Avenue/Town/City/District/Quarter/Downtown of Intoxication" in word-for-word translation.

(And the phrase "drunekn street" is potentially problematic corpus-wise, by the way.)

Given that it was news to most JP branch users' ears (as far as I know), I respectfully make another suggestion for translation. Since I want to give it a feel of cutesy and tones of early quiet, hearty and nostalgic articles, I've devised a phrase "Tipsie Avenue." How about it?

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I'm aware that tinge of words and feelings or/and sensation that one wants to convey via certain wordings can always call in argument, and are hard to come to common consent. I'm keen to hear from native speakers about rhythm and nuance of the phrase.

If you want to get a bit more familiar with touch and feel of the GoI, I've just finished my draft for translation of a tale centering on it, and will post it soon, so wait a minute.

Re: About the Name of 酩酊街 (Meiteigai, Drunken Street)

Dr Ore 18 Jun 2018 10:22

I asked several members of the JP branch about that GoI since there is no hub for it, and not a single one expressed its dislike towards the translation, some even using it itself.

Would I implement your suggestion, it would mean several days of work for me, since the GoIs place in the alphabetical order would change and would have to be accomodated in every single GoI entry and the offsets.

As a compromise, I propose the translation "Drunkness Street", since that would be a change I could implement within an hour.

If my displayed information is inaccurate, you are free and even encouraged by me to change it to display the nature of the GoI better.

Re: About the Name of 酩酊街 (Meiteigai, Drunken Street)

fumeinadebaisu 21 Jun 2018 03:58

"Drunkness Street"

That sounds nice enough; indeed, it's much better than mine in regard of being less pompous.

P.S. This GoI index has been highly appreciated in the JP community since its creation. Great work!

Re: About the Name of 酩酊街 (Meiteigai, Drunken Street)

Dr Ore 22 Jun 2018 18:27

Your praise is appreciated. I did change the Index accordingly.

About the new Chinese bench goi "Gpexpress"（Gp快递）

Tnsbilws 05 Jan 2019 02:49

I am the creator of Gpexpress, this goi has been recognized by Chinese branch.

I want to translate it and add my goi introduction on this page.Can i?

Re: About the new Chinese bench goi "Gpexpress"（Gp快递）

Einer von Rabe 05 Jan 2019 08:07

Better ask Dr Ore

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Re: About the new Chinese bench goi "Gpexpress"（Gp快递）

Dr Ore 06 Jan 2019 18:52

I normally do that myself, because others tend to forget to keep the tables up to date.

Err… Are you sure about the Prometheus Labs and Alexylvia University thing? The company went bankrupt in 1998 and the university is only partially aware of our universe even existing.

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Re: About the new Chinese bench goi "Gpexpress"（Gp快递）

Tnsbilws 08 Jan 2019 16:39

About the Alexylvia University and Prometheus Labs, I am sure that I did not look at the goi settings carefully. I will delete this part.

thank you for answer.

Re: About the new Chinese bench goi "Gpexpress"（Gp快递）

Tnsbilws 23 Feb 2019 03:27

Although it does not care if the goods are broken or not upon arrival.

This part is not completely correct.

The setting is in funny GpExpress , it does not care if the goods are broken or not upon arrival.

But , in serious setting , Gpexpress will protect the goods from the least damage possible, and will continue to deliver the goods even if the employee sacrifices.

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Re: About the new Chinese bench goi "Gpexpress"（Gp快递）

Dr Ore 23 Feb 2019 08:29

Will be addressed in the next update, but feel free to correct false information if you see it.

About the abbreviation called RIDIA

Nanigashi Sato 30 Jun 2019 12:19

Why is the abbreviations of "ROYAL INSTITVTE OF ITALIAN ANOMALIES" not "RIOIA" but "RIDIA"?

Re: About the abbreviation called RIDIA

Dr Ore 02 Jul 2019 05:40

This stems from the abrevation mostly used by the italians, which is more characteristic for this institute. If you search around, you will find more examples.

Re: About the abbreviation called RIDIA

Nanigashi Sato 03 Jul 2019 08:11

Oh, I see. Sorry.

About the translation of 酩酊街

vomiter 06 Aug 2019 06:39

It’s currently Drunkness Street. But as the overview mentioned it’s a residential district, I feel “town” is a better term than street, how do you think?

Having talked with Japanese members, I will use Drunkness Street as the translation.

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Light in Hole 09 Dec 2019 16:28

how I like English.

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Are there any articles to support the relations between these GoIs?

la kanro 12 Apr 2020 09:02

I'm quite wondering how 05 Council and many other GoIs have relations with XXV and the Hive? Are there any articles to support the canon? Maybe we should give the original article of the canon when new relations are added.

Re: Are there any articles to support the relations between these GoIs?

Einer von Rabe 13 Apr 2020 13:46

What do you mean?
Hive has a statement for everyone and all DE-GoI have a statement to XXV.
A lot of relationships are missing because the authors don't insert them. It is precisely for this reason that I have added a statement to all the GoIs I know in the Wunderkabinett section.

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Re: Are there any articles to support the relations between these GoIs?

Dr Ore 14 Apr 2020 17:05

Those are mostly logical deductions on my part. As are other relations in this index which are accepted as canon by branches but not written anywhere.

The idea of references was discussed when the index was created but ultimately rejected to allow the GoI creators go add the relations themselves to ensure correct usage by other branches. Also, we would have had problems with pages in other languages than english.

Jasiu06 28 Sep 2020 19:44

Some sorting system of GoI by their types would be useful. Examples types:

• Religious — Church of the Broken God, Grotto of Gangrenous God, Cult of the Great Green God etc.
• Companies — Home Wonders Ltd., The Factory, GpExpress, Prometheus Labs Inc, MC&D etc.
• Normalcy Preservation Organizations — GRU Division "P", GOC, Central Bureau for Paranormal Cases (CBSP), Department of Abnormal Threats of the Security Service of Ukraine, Horizon Initiative etc.
• Terorists/Paracrime organization — The Chicago Spirit, Chaos Insurgency, A.R.G.U.S. Inc. etc.
• Mind Collective — Oneiroi Collective, The Galactic Federation, The Hive etc.
• University/Anomaly School — Alexylva University, Deer College, Mages Academy, St. Christina College etc.
• Other — Parawatch, Three Moons Initiative, WWW, The Civilian etc.
• Ideological — OBSKURA, GRU Division „P”, Section XXV, Sonderkommando for the Paranormal (SKP) etc.

I haven't listed all possible categories and this should have been done in a better way than just a list of GoIs of a given type. Some GoI would belong to several types. I would like someone to think about this proposal

PS sorry for my English know is not very good

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DrGemini 28 Sep 2020 22:31

That's a good idea, very useful for authors seeking organizations obeying to specific purposes for a story !

Dr Ore 02 Oct 2020 18:11

How would you sort those? It's not like I can just make sub-categories for every branch, that would be more than just confusing, especially regarding the fact that several attributes apply too one single GoI at once.

DrGemini 03 Oct 2020 14:55

Perhaps with a system of colored dots, each one related to a category, with a chart legend somewhere ? Or eventually a side page censing the GoIs with this particular system ?

Sorting System for GoI

Einer von Rabe 04 Oct 2020 15:02

I am not a fan of colour coding.
I would rather do catogories and not a separate list for each branch, but rather an international one.

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Re: Sorting System for GoI

Dr Ore 05 Oct 2020 17:42

If that is supposed to happen, then not by my hand. Getting them all together as is was difficult enough. Also, it makes adding new entries and correcting existing ones much more difficult if they are listed falsely by accident or because of some translation error.

Now, Gemini, what exactly would you read from such a chart, just categories and the names of the GoIs listed? You still have to switch between both pages again and again to read the actual description until you find the GoI you need, which is quite annoying to use.

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Re: Sorting System for GoI

DrGemini 08 Oct 2020 13:23

Oh, if that's just that, I'm willing to make it ! I wasn't asking that someone else in particular do the job ^^

If a dedicated page must be made for this, some basique resume of the caracteristics of each GoI related to its category would be sufficient for me : if that's a religion, is it polytheist or monotheist ? A small cult or a worldwide church ? Pacific or criminal ? This kind of useful information to help the writer seeking a particular profile. Having the two lists opened in two tabs and switching between them does not sound superhuman to me, but it could be the occasion to add some infos that are not listed in the actual list !

I'm willing to begin a prototype

Re: Sorting System for GoI

Dr Ore 30 Oct 2020 22:03

Give it a shot.

Various edits

Jerden 17 Sep 2021 14:55

Just noting that I went through all of these (as a native English speaker) and made some corrections to spelling and grammar. It took a while to get it right, not all of my edits stuck for some reason, and I messed up the formatting a few times and had to go back to correct it.

I think referring to the English language site as the "Mother Foundation" just sounds weird and vaguely creepy in English. I know we were the first but "English Language Foundation" just sounds much better. Feel free to revert that change if there's a strong preference for Mother, I guess.

Also, "The GoI towards other GoI" isn't really grammatical - it reads weird, I'd suggest "Attitude of the GoI towards other GoI", or perhaps "GoI Relations with other GoI". For obvious reasons, I've refrained from changing it for now, because that's a lot of component pages to ctr F your way through!

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Re: Various edits

Dr Ore 17 Sep 2021 21:01

Wikidot struggles with large pages. Sometimes, edits become visible only after a while.

English language Foundation sounds even weirder imo, given all others are referred to as branches. Changed it to Parent, like in parent company. The same principle applies here.

Also, not grammatical in what regard? That isn‘t supposed to be a sentence, it should show which stances GoI have towards each other. Attitude narrows it down too much, I think.

Going to look over that one during the next update, coming… someday…

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Re: Various edits

Jerden 17 Sep 2021 22:25

No problem, I just wanted to complain about wikidot/explain why I made so many edits. Most were very minor, it's easy to miss something when there's this many tabs and pages.

Parent sounds better than mother, let's go with that.

I've added two more recent English Language GoI - Wandsmen and VKTM (I made up some Hive interactions so that they still have their fingers in every pie, no clue if it fits with Hive canon). Not long before we get 40, although the numbers are inflated somewhat here by including OBSKURA, the Daevites and Scarlet Hammer (that last one's very minor).

"Relationship of the GoI with other Groups of Interest" would read better to me, but I don't currently care enough to change it. I understand it isn't a full sentence, but it just seemed a little odd to me.

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Re: Various edits

Einer von Rabe 18 Sep 2021 06:24

Not long before we get 40, although the numbers are inflated somewhat here by including OBSKURA, the Daevites and Scarlet Hammer (that last one's very minor).

I always thought these were too minor to even be on the list. The latter doesn't even have its own tag.
With all other branches, we only have those that are on the GoI list. Otherwise we would have to add the syndicate and the atlases to DE, for example.
And let's not talk about other minor groups that are on EN and the Asian Branches that have more attention, like the Children of the Scarlet King or the whole thing with the Hanged King.

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Re: Various edits

Jerden 18 Sep 2021 09:14

The list is long enough as is and the information could easily be incorporated into other GoI descriptions (e.g. mention the Daevites in the Sarkicism entry, and mention OBSKURRA and Scarlet Hammer in the GOC entry). I think we need to be strict with this list, if we added everything with a tag we'd be adding about 15 more GoI, so inclusion on the actual list that the page links to seems like a reasonable standard.

Staff agreed so I've made the cuts, but to compensate I've rewritten the GOC entry to mention the WWII era stuff and "notable enemies" OBSKURRA and Scarlet Hammer, but they're really very minor. Daevites are a fun bit of site lore, but so are a lot of other SCPs, and so we can't realistically list them all here.

EDIT: also added all EN GoI creators, I'm pretty sure that they're all correct but for some stuff it's so far back it's hard to tell. Just to emphasise: most of these people are no longer active and/or have almost nothing to do with the current GoI beyond thinking of the basic idea, so don't expect them to be able to offer much help if you send them a Wikidot PM. The same could probably be said about a few GoI creators from other branches though!

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